them hardcore crunchers out here and a project which went public and now is telling us this was not intended.
did anyone out here break open the doors?
do you really think you can get all the different platforms and setups for testing anywhere else than from us - not even talking about for nothing but credits?
get serious, think twice and pull the plug or not.
FWIW, my view is that stats are exported they are free to be used by anyone. Doesn't take much effort to look in the stats directory and see if there are any up to date tables in there; If there are, use them :)
You come into a shop, and find a penny on the floor. You silently put that in your pocket, claiming it yours. Next day you come into the same shop and find another penny. Again, you put it in your pocket. And so the next day. And the next. And so forth for a month. Then comes a day where you don't find a penny. What do you do? Sue the owner of the shop?
But then I live in the Utopian world where BOINC is open, relies on the generosity of volunteers and has a strong community spirit. I should take off my rose-tinted spectacles perhaps :)
Dude, I'm on your side.
Wipe the stats and get DA to ask the stats sites to remove the cached stats. That's a joke BTW :)
It was unfortunate that stats ever got exported. The best exit strategy for all concerned seems to be the path you've taken - Export for a while, then stop having warned everyone. Then we can all stay friends :)
It does say if you care about Credits then this project is certainly not the right one for you. That's fine & I'm sure if we're helping then we don't really care about the Credits but as in all other Previous Test Projects before this one the Participants were rewarded with some sort of Credit however small it was.
Most of us know things go bad in a Test Project but we're willing to put up with it for that little bit of Reward so that's where some of the Expectations came in probably ... IMHO
Is this general consensus?
So far I didn't know and didn't care about "all other Previous Test Projects", that's why I asked D.A.
I certainly don't care about credit at all here, and all I want is not to have to.
If you (and the stat sites) can live with credit "however small it is", being granted unreliably and fluctuating, and won't complain whatever happens, I could as well leave the stats export on. After all, it's just a switch in the project configuration.
If you (and the stat sites) can live with credit "however small it is", being granted unreliably and fluctuating, and won't complain whatever happens, I could as well leave the stats export on. After all, it's just a switch in the project configuration.
That works for me. It is what happens at other test projects, so I would expect others would be fine with it too. Or at least they would be used to to it. I will be around regardless.
most likely - you won't find drive-by crunchers here, but probably only those of us who dare...
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So far I didn't know and didn't care about "all other Previous Test Projects", that's why I asked D.A.
that's another misconecption!
DA has his very own ideas - and sometimes this has absolutely nothing to do with what those people think that provide the cycles to run boincworld.
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If you (and the stat sites) can live with credit "however small it is", being granted unreliably and fluctuating, and won't complain whatever happens, I could as well leave the stats export on.
grant a single credit for every WU and call it a deal.
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After all, it's just a switch in the project configuration.
FWIW, my view is that stats are exported they are free to be used by anyone. Doesn't take much effort to look in the stats directory and see if there are any up to date tables in there; If there are, use them :)
You come into a shop, and find a penny on the floor. You silently put that in your pocket, claiming it yours. Next day you come into the same shop and find another penny. Again, you put it in your pocket. And so the next day. And the next. And so forth for a month. Then comes a day where you don't find a penny. What do you do? Sue the owner of the shop?
BM
Except that you are the one taking the pennies!!! LOL
BTW: In what sense is Albert@Home different from an alpha test project, in particular related to credit?
Seeing how some people here still see Albert as a separate project, I'll use Bernd's question. This project differs from alpha or beta projects in that it will never be a full project on its own. Once they have the applications and back-end working here, they move those to the main project (Einstein), and I assume they shut this down, until they have more to test.
The alpha and beta projects mentioned will run work, be it just to keep the users happy, while they aren't testing anything. That's presumably not going to be the case here.
In the case of starting up a project, it'll go through alpha or beta stages, and will eventually grow into a full production project. That's also not the case here.
i knew this would
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i knew this would happen..
them hardcore crunchers out here and a project which went public and now is telling us this was not intended.
did anyone out here break open the doors?
do you really think you can get all the different platforms and setups for testing anywhere else than from us - not even talking about for nothing but credits?
get serious, think twice and pull the plug or not.
RE: FWIW, my view is that
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You come into a shop, and find a penny on the floor. You silently put that in your pocket, claiming it yours. Next day you come into the same shop and find another penny. Again, you put it in your pocket. And so the next day. And the next. And so forth for a month. Then comes a day where you don't find a penny. What do you do? Sue the owner of the shop?
BM
BM
RE: You come into a shop
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Slightly odd analogy :)
But then I live in the Utopian world where BOINC is open, relies on the generosity of volunteers and has a strong community spirit. I should take off my rose-tinted spectacles perhaps :)
Dude, I'm on your side.
Wipe the stats and get DA to ask the stats sites to remove the cached stats. That's a joke BTW :)
It was unfortunate that stats ever got exported. The best exit strategy for all concerned seems to be the path you've taken - Export for a while, then stop having warned everyone. Then we can all stay friends :)
Al.
RE: It does say if you care
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Is this general consensus?
So far I didn't know and didn't care about "all other Previous Test Projects", that's why I asked D.A.
I certainly don't care about credit at all here, and all I want is not to have to.
If you (and the stat sites) can live with credit "however small it is", being granted unreliably and fluctuating, and won't complain whatever happens, I could as well leave the stats export on. After all, it's just a switch in the project configuration.
BM
BM
RE: If you (and the stat
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That works for me. It is what happens at other test projects, so I would expect others would be fine with it too. Or at least they would be used to to it. I will be around regardless.
Dublin, California
Team: SETI.USA
RE: Is this general
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most likely - you won't find drive-by crunchers here, but probably only those of us who dare...
that's another misconecption!
DA has his very own ideas - and sometimes this has absolutely nothing to do with what those people think that provide the cycles to run boincworld.
grant a single credit for every WU and call it a deal.
not really - all that hassle about a switch? ;)
@ KPX : You're the victim of
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@ KPX : You're the victim of your own assumptions and contradictions - I suggest that you re-read yourself and reflect.
@ Frank :
As Bernd just said "I certainly don't care about credit at all here, and all I want is not to have to." and "and won't complain whatever happens"
In any case, this ground is now old, whatever precepts that you thought that you arrived with. You should be certainly under no illusions now.
Cheers, Mike.
"I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal
RE: RE: FWIW, my view is
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Except that you are the one taking the pennies!!! LOL
RE: @ KPX : You're the
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No need to do so. I know what I write. You don't seem to.
BOINC I do for fun. You spoil it, for no reason. That's silly. You have fun doing that?
Bernd wrote:BTW: In what
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Seeing how some people here still see Albert as a separate project, I'll use Bernd's question. This project differs from alpha or beta projects in that it will never be a full project on its own. Once they have the applications and back-end working here, they move those to the main project (Einstein), and I assume they shut this down, until they have more to test.
The alpha and beta projects mentioned will run work, be it just to keep the users happy, while they aren't testing anything. That's presumably not going to be the case here.
In the case of starting up a project, it'll go through alpha or beta stages, and will eventually grow into a full production project. That's also not the case here.