BTW: In what sense is Albert@Home different from an alpha test project, in particular related to credit?
Seeing how some people here still see Albert as a separate project, I'll use Bernd's question. This project differs from alpha or beta projects in that it will never be a full project on its own. Once they have the applications and back-end working here, they move those to the main project (Einstein), and I assume they shut this down, until they have more to test
Right. Albert is like RALPH, SETI Beta, and Amelegrid Testgrid. These are all dedicated test projects too. They will never progress to "production" status.
The need for separate projects (any more) is not clear to me. A while back, they added the functionality in the BOINC server code to have opt-in on test apps/tasks for users. That allows the project to have test work available to only those that opt into it, in their project preferences. It seem to me that way would be less work for projects. But whatever, it works either way.
The need for separate projects (any more) is not clear to me. A while back, they added the functionality in the BOINC server code to have opt-in on test apps/tasks for users. That allows the project to have test work available to only those that opt into it, in their project preferences. It seem to me that way would be less work for projects. But whatever, it works either way.
We can and would test new applications (and application versions) either privately or on the main project. What we intend to test on Albert is server side code that can't be tested on the main project without risking serious damage. The OpenCL support of BOINC requires server side modifications, too, that's why we test the OpenCL apps here.
After all, it's just a switch in the project configuration.
not really - all that hassle about a switch? ;)
Not really. It's more about the (possible, imagined) commitment I make with flipping that switch in one or the other direction.
Might sound weird, but indeed I am new to "public test projects". I was pretty surprised when some months ago I heard that Albert@Home was known to anyone outside the inner circle of Einstein@Home developers.
I think if not consensus then atleast alot of people will help out as long as you need their help.
I think.
When app is complete and moved to Main, people will follow and continue to use it on Main. And some people will continue with other alpha beta projects to help the boinc community grow...
And I also think that when app is "complete and working".
It will be tested more and improvement of the app will continue to it's perfection here at non-alpha/beta project.
A penny is a penny.
A credit is just a number.
Boinc community is based and built on thoose numbers.
I start to think here wheather the question at hand is: Do you want our help here..... I think you can benefit from us, but I might also be wrong.
//TQ
Is this general consensus?
So far I didn't know and didn't care about "all other Previous Test Projects", that's why I asked D.A.
I certainly don't care about credit at all here, and all I want is not to have to.
If you (and the stat sites) can live with credit "however small it is", being granted unreliably and fluctuating, and won't complain whatever happens, I could as well leave the stats export on. After all, it's just a switch in the project configuration.
Albert@Home stats are currently being exported, I intend to shut this down late this week. There will be a news item (including RSS) at least 24h in advance.
But I still like to understand what happened here, how & why people that are only interested in credit ever attached a host to this project. This project was never meant to attract this kind of attention. I'd like to avoid such misunderstanding in the future.
BM
On checking your project, I see that you are a BOINC project. You are running their software and you advertised how to join your project. BOINC projects are credit based projects as the only thank you a project can give to a user is via a metric called cobbnlestones or credits. Your project be it a Test or Alpha project contributes nothing towards the maintenance of our machines or to the cost of Electricity. The least you could do to thank those that have contributed their time and cost to help you is to advertize those credits given by exporting the stats. If you do not wish to give credit, that is your provocative but you should not be using BOINC software for private testing.
Well, this thready is already plenty long, so I guess my .02 won't hurt.
I never understood the deal with credit/cobblestones anyway. I thought the 1 credit per 1 WU from the original Seti@home was just fine.
/shrug
In any case, psychologically I think 0 is a little nebulous for some people. I think as long as there is some indicator of contribution, most are happy. As far as alpha testing goes, I'm just here to help the OpenCL along so I can use my ATi Gpu's and could care less about credit in this setting.
I have finished one WU on my CPU after 61 hours and I got the same credit of a wingman using OpenCL who finished in little more than one hour, but I knew the rules of the game and accepted them. I am also running Test4Theory@home first as an Alpha and now as a Beta project. I like testing new software, otherwise BOINC programs are just dull.
Tullio
BOINC projects are credit based projects as the only thank you a project can give to a user is via a metric called cobbnlestones or credits.
Where does it say that a project needs to give credits/cobblestones?
Where does it say how many?
Where does it say that those have to be exported?
And again, to explain further what this project does, Bernd wrote in this message:
Quote:
We can and would test new applications (and application versions) either privately or on the main project. What we intend to test on Albert is server side code that can't be tested on the main project without risking serious damage. The OpenCL support of BOINC requires server side modifications, too, that's why we test the OpenCL apps here.
BOINC projects are credit based projects as the only thank you a project can give to a user is via a metric called cobbnlestones or credits.
Where does it say that a project needs to give credits/cobblestones?
Where does it say how many?
Where does it say that those have to be exported?
And again, to explain further what this project does, Bernd wrote in this message:
Quote:
We can and would test new applications (and application versions) either privately or on the main project. What we intend to test on Albert is server side code that can't be tested on the main project without risking serious damage. The OpenCL support of BOINC requires server side modifications, too, that's why we test the OpenCL apps here.
I dunno where it doesn't say....The "where does" are good questions though....
99% of all other boinc projects does this credit thing.
Have you missed that ageless?
And I would like to add that i support BM in what he is trying to accomplish here at Albert.
RE: Bernd wrote:BTW: In
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Right. Albert is like RALPH, SETI Beta, and Amelegrid Testgrid. These are all dedicated test projects too. They will never progress to "production" status.
The need for separate projects (any more) is not clear to me. A while back, they added the functionality in the BOINC server code to have opt-in on test apps/tasks for users. That allows the project to have test work available to only those that opt into it, in their project preferences. It seem to me that way would be less work for projects. But whatever, it works either way.
Dublin, California
Team: SETI.USA
RE: The need for separate
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From the original post Ageless was referring to:
BM
BM
Ah. Well there you go. Good
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Ah. Well there you go. Good to know about the server-side stuff.
Dublin, California
Team: SETI.USA
RE: RE: After all, it's
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Not really. It's more about the (possible, imagined) commitment I make with flipping that switch in one or the other direction.
Might sound weird, but indeed I am new to "public test projects". I was pretty surprised when some months ago I heard that Albert@Home was known to anyone outside the inner circle of Einstein@Home developers.
BM
BM
RE: I think if not
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RE: Albert@Home stats are
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On checking your project, I see that you are a BOINC project. You are running their software and you advertised how to join your project. BOINC projects are credit based projects as the only thank you a project can give to a user is via a metric called cobbnlestones or credits. Your project be it a Test or Alpha project contributes nothing towards the maintenance of our machines or to the cost of Electricity. The least you could do to thank those that have contributed their time and cost to help you is to advertize those credits given by exporting the stats. If you do not wish to give credit, that is your provocative but you should not be using BOINC software for private testing.
Well, this thready is already
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Well, this thready is already plenty long, so I guess my .02 won't hurt.
I never understood the deal with credit/cobblestones anyway. I thought the 1 credit per 1 WU from the original Seti@home was just fine.
/shrug
In any case, psychologically I think 0 is a little nebulous for some people. I think as long as there is some indicator of contribution, most are happy. As far as alpha testing goes, I'm just here to help the OpenCL along so I can use my ATi Gpu's and could care less about credit in this setting.
I have finished one WU on my
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I have finished one WU on my CPU after 61 hours and I got the same credit of a wingman using OpenCL who finished in little more than one hour, but I knew the rules of the game and accepted them. I am also running Test4Theory@home first as an Alpha and now as a Beta project. I like testing new software, otherwise BOINC programs are just dull.
Tullio
RE: BOINC projects are
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Where does it say that a project needs to give credits/cobblestones?
Where does it say how many?
Where does it say that those have to be exported?
And again, to explain further what this project does, Bernd wrote in this message:
RE: RE: BOINC projects
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I dunno where it doesn't say....The "where does" are good questions though....
99% of all other boinc projects does this credit thing.
Have you missed that ageless?
And I would like to add that i support BM in what he is trying to accomplish here at Albert.